Yeah, I run across one of my early fake Native American works at estate sale every once in awhile and see what a mess it is and then see the price on it and ask the estate agent why so high and the agent then goes in to a long explanation about how to tell "authentic" NA work by the "crude" soldering because they use blow pipes and charcoal. I got a chuckle out of that one, still it's nice to see the higher prices on my old messy work even if it is a lie, silly people. dunno28