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Toki carving question.
« on: September 18, 2016, 10:20:57 PM »

I'm digging into Toki carving and trying to lay out the carving for the corners and main body for the wrap. I'm planning on carving the depth no more than the cord diameter, the corners to be equal in length ( top and side), the body wrap carving to be 1/3 of the total height of the piece. What else am I missing that I should plan for? Thanks!


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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2016, 10:29:18 PM »

Toki's are fun,

1. to determine the correct angle for the corners, incise the sides at the bottom of each corner, thread the main cord through the hole in the toki then wrap the thread around the toki and draw a line with the thread from the bottom edge of the corner to the first wrap around the main cord, this will give you the correct angle for the corner.
2. undercut the corners slighty so the thread hugs under them and does not slip off
3. drill and runnel the hole for the main neck cord so it is not noticeable
4. to get a nice snug fit without any gaps between wrapped cord and the carved recesses, test wrap often to get the proportions just right
5. Thread selection is important, too thick or too thin for the toki and it will look wrong
6. Use the same thread in the braid for the main cord
7. Have lots of fun
8. post your learnings here so we can all learn more

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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2016, 09:05:45 PM »

Toki's are fun,

1. to determine the correct angle for the corners, incise the sides at the bottom of each corner, thread the main cord through the hole in the toki then wrap the thread around the toki and draw a line with the thread from the bottom edge of the corner to the first wrap around the main cord, this will give you the correct angle for the corner.
2. undercut the corners slighty so the thread hugs under them and does not slip off
3. drill and runnel the hole for the main neck cord so it is not noticeable
4. to get a nice snug fit without any gaps between wrapped cord and the carved recesses, test wrap often to get the proportions just right
5. Thread selection is important, too thick or too thin for the toki and it will look wrong
6. Use the same thread in the braid for the main cord
7. Have lots of fun
8. post your learnings here so we can all learn more

David
Thanks David! You've given me a good head start here rather than stumbling along on my own. I'll post the completed project.


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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2016, 07:20:01 PM »

Better late than never...here's the finished pieces that were done a while back shortly after the original post. Enjoy:
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2016, 02:43:17 AM »

Nice, interesting take on a toki. I do like toki's that use stone other than jade. Toki is a mice solid shape so many stones are suitable for a toki design.

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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2016, 06:17:08 AM »

Really nice job on those!  I'm loving on the crazy lace one.   :headbang:
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2016, 09:21:47 AM »

These are beautiful! I'm not familiar with the term "Toki", and an image search wasn't helpful. Can you enlighten me?
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2016, 09:06:51 PM »

These are beautiful! I'm not familiar with the term "Toki", and an image search wasn't helpful. Can you enlighten me?

I had to do a couple pages of digging on Google but found this site.  Toki is another name for an adze shaped pendant design from New Zealand, common among the Maori.

https://www.mountainjade.co.nz/about-jade/greenstone-meanings-and-designs/toki-adze/
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2016, 01:13:52 PM »

Thanks for the link, Enchantra, great site for learning about Toki.
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2016, 08:58:14 PM »

Thanks for the link, Enchantra, great site for learning about Toki.

And thanks from me too Enchantra for digging that up and sharing. It was that kind of information that got me going on the process because I was looking for a jewelry form that wasn't about the settings/wrappings but more about the stone. i think this form does that. Learning the process for 4 strand and 6 strand braid was also a fun challenge in addition to the toki wrap.
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2016, 10:44:00 AM »

Pebblehopper, you've done a nice job! What is the yellow stone  Thanks.
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2016, 07:35:27 PM »

It's green opalite and the piece is available if you're interested.
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2016, 04:48:21 PM »

There are lots of interpretations on the toki these days led by the NZ carvers. This is a google image search https://www.google.com.au/search?q=jade+toki+pendant&espv=2&biw=1164&bih=557&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6mKjL25_RAhVEspQKHbVnBEEQ_AUIBigB

And one of mine





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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2016, 05:37:06 PM »

Wowah!! whats the stone in the second Photo? Thanks for the post of the other takes on toki. I think that it's an interesting change to the stone and sterling/gold setting/wrapping brand of jewelry. Or maybe it's just that I can get lost in the process of the neck cord round braiding in addition to the stone carving. I once saw a carved jade piece with 8 plait braid and I was hooked on the process but still working up from 4 and 6 plait. 
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Re: Toki carving question.
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2017, 01:29:03 AM »

Thanks for the kind words, the second toki is high quality rhodonite, sometimes called imperial rhodonite form the Tamworth, New South Wales region with good quality black nephrite jade from Cowell, South Australia.

While toki's are traditionally done in nephrite jade or greywacke or serpentine, the shape would be effective for just about any stone. Anyone for an opal toki?

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