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Title: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: lithicbeads on October 14, 2015, 08:48:58 PM

 Author is Byron W. Knobock , first edition 1939 , 596 pages. My copy of this book was from ebay. It had been found in a dilapidated old  Texas ranch house whose very old occupant had recently died. This book is a first rate effort and is widely recognized as such. I tried to increase the contrast of the pictures to make them more legible.An amazing book about a sadly neglected wonderful art form. If you think banner stones are exotic you would be surprised to know that they were at one time very commonly found on the farms surrounding Trenton New Jersey because of the deposit of diabase that is situated there as well as the cornucopia of  wild food that was once found within a few miles of Trenton.

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: sealdaddy on October 18, 2015, 06:30:46 AM

WOW.... Great~!!
Thank, friend :blob3:

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: lithicbeads on October 18, 2015, 09:25:11 AM

 They did amazing work and it is virtually unknown , a real shame.

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: wampidy on October 19, 2015, 05:14:05 AM

Great story Frank. I mentioned this to Jimmy and of course he has passing knowledge of this art. He has a larger than fist size stone with three holes positioned in a perfect triangle but they do not go all the way through the stone. I have a stone with a ring chipped around it so it could be used as a hammer. But the hammer face has been broken and two holes have been drilled into it.

If I would have known you had an interest in this stuff I would have shown them to you when you were here. I will photograph them so you can see what I am talking about. I am writing a note so I do not forget. Probably not going to happen today because the weather was great this weekend (possibly the last) and I way over did it which means I got up to make coffee and am not sure I really want to get up again.

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting and an eye opener for me.
Jim

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: lithicbeads on October 19, 2015, 05:25:25 AM

If you folks would like I can post more from this extraordinary book. I look forward to the pictures of the western artifacts.

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Post by: sealdaddy on October 19, 2015, 02:11:52 PM

Quote from: lithicbeads on October 19, 2015, 05:25:25 AM

If you folks would like I can post more from this extraordinary book. I look forward to the pictures of the western artifacts.

Yes, Please do, friend.

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: wampidy on November 12, 2015, 09:30:43 AM

Finally got the two stones photographed that have the holes drilled in them. The black one was found in Montana and the yellow one was found here in Wyoming. These are almost exactly the same size and you can see that they are a large fist size by the yellow one sitting next to the head of a 2.5 pound sledge hammer head.

If we would not have killed off all the descendants we might have learned a little more about these stones. I am very curious.
Jim

On the very top of this stone there are two dimples that are like finger gripping or finger worn low spots.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/P1110003.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/P1110003.jpg.html)

Another triangle on the back.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/P1110002.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/P1110002.jpg.html)

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/P1110001.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/P1110001.jpg.html)

This stone has a groove around it like it was used for a hammer until the face where the two holes are broke out.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/PC210010.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/PC210010.jpg.html)

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/PC210009.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/PC210009.jpg.html)

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/PC210007.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/PC210007.jpg.html)

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/PC210006.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/PC210006.jpg.html)

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/PC210005.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/PC210005.jpg.html)

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/PC210004.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/PC210004.jpg.html)

(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/Wyoming/PC210003.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/Wyoming/PC210003.jpg.html)

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: lithicbeads on November 12, 2015, 07:37:04 PM

Very mysterious. I have been so busy I have not had a chance to post more from the book but next week should have some free time. I found a jade adze in my yard , about fist sized and used it as a massage tool until I misplaced it in the house. That is probably how the maker lost it also.

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: Enchantra on March 02, 2016, 02:29:44 PM

For some reason I only just now stumbled on this posting.  Please post more from this book.  As an Anthropologist who studied archaeology I find this fascinating.   :thumbsup:

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: lithicbeads on March 02, 2016, 04:59:24 PM

 OK.

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: fossilman on January 29, 2017, 02:14:35 PM

Now these are the articles I like........I'm saving this one!

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: bobby1 on January 29, 2017, 06:11:29 PM

That book is $350 to $700 on Amazon Books. There is a newer book about the stones fo about $30.
Very interesting information!
Bob

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: lithicbeads on January 30, 2017, 05:50:44 AM

There are some good images in other books but this book is a gem. Should I post more images?

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: hummingbirdstones on January 30, 2017, 06:13:33 AM

Please do!

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Post by: ileney on January 30, 2017, 06:40:10 AM

This is very interesting. Would love to see more.

Title: Re: "Banner stones of the North American Indian"
Post by: tkcaz on January 30, 2017, 02:58:16 PM

Yes, please do!  Thank you!