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Off Topic Area => Random Musings => Topic started by: Jhon P on December 14, 2017, 09:21:07 AM
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Thinking about the California wildfires. I don’t recall seeing any posts from Ranger Dave since the maraposa fires. Has anyone heard from him? Hey Dave if you are out there let us know how it’s going.
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What a terrible year for fires all over the west. The level of damage to business property is unprecedented and makes one wonder about the survivability of some communities.
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i was looking at a night picture of beautiful beachfront with a few rows of houses behind and palm trees dispersed between and in front of them....with a slight rise in the background with more trees and a lovely glow behind it. i thought it was the sun setting. i thought what a tropical picture, sheer beauty.....until i was told it's a scene of the fires burning in the background in california. that beautiful vision became a horrifying reality. i'm speechless.
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the whole montain where Knotts berry farm is located is destroyed by fire.
I just dont understand why emergency sprinkler systems arent installed like a utility (ie:cable & power) through whole neighborhoods to protect the people and their possessions.
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i agree about the sprinkler type system. but to go a step further why not into the forests? sounds like a big job BUT if the government blazes trails for hydro lines or oil pipes and snowmobiles why not add a watering system? the trail is already cut. placed in strategic areas to stop full blown fires. using salt water from the ocean.
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I have a friend who lives near Santa Barbara. I'm keeping tabs on her. She knows if she has to evacuate to hop on the I-10 and come to my place. Last I checked the entire eastern side of Santa Barbara was in danger with a wall of fire moving at them.
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seriously, one generator, one 6 inch pump and a few farm sprinklers and a ditch full of continuous water can save a whole city more effectively than all the fire crews combined by saturating the whole area ahead of the flames.
But they want california cleared out i think.
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seriously, one generator, one 6 inch pump and a few farm sprinklers and a ditch full of continuous water can save a whole city more effectively than all the fire crews combined by saturating the whole area ahead of the flames.
But they want california cleared out i think.
You can't be serious .......
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Even without the Santa Ana winds the st5evenson fire jumped the entire Columbia river.Whole burning trees get lifted and carried forward by the fire.Fire storms would be a much better name.
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Even without the Santa Ana winds the st5evenson fire jumped the entire Columbia river.Whole burning trees get lifted and carried forward by the fire.Fire storms would be a much better name.
Exactly. I'm located on one edge of the Thomas fire which, thankfully for me, is heading in a different direction. Having been through several major CA fires I can verify it's the burning embers carried by the winds that spread these fires so quickly. Last winter's heavy rains caused tremendous growth in grasses and chapparal and an extended drought since has left them tinder dry. It's just the nature of the local geography. Lightning-set fires burned at will before the area became heavily populated. Now, with suburbs and entire cities spreading into the brushy areas damage in terms of lives and property has soared. We're hoping against hope for rain.
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hoping and praying for rain
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I think the land is deliberately being set on fire to clear the land for governmental land grab.
Thats just my perspective, wildfires in winter time just dont add up to me, windy or not.
The Cali GOV could set up huge sprinklers to cover most all of a neighborhood in minutes flooding the area like a farmers field. but they dont.
It doesnt add up in my brain cell.
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Let's not turn this into a political commentary please.
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I lost everything in the Santa Rosa Coffey Park.
Equipment, 20 barrels of rock.
A soft estimate was around $40K.
I had a Highland Park 20" slab saw, and a Titan along with several other pieces.
Here are a couple pictures one of the slab saw (this was a good view) and another of a star diamond grinding unit.
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My heart goes out to ya rockherder, in 2014 I lost everything I had and barely almost perished myself, I didn't get my dog though heard him screaming tried like hell to get him but it's impossible the smoke is so black you can't see your nose in front of your face. For all those who think a sprinkler system will work for communities, to I don't mean to sound like an jerk, but you don't understand what a fire is when it gets going, green burns just fine and water only does so much. Rockherder I know what shock your in its a life changer never will it be the same I only had the clothes on my back (not shoes) so I learned a lesson from it that everyone should before something this horrible happens. I learned everything in this life is fleeting and has no mass all the things we go after in this life is like trying to grasp air, just when you've got anything, it slips right through your fingers, you have only one possession and that I is your being so Instead of worries of vanities like clothes etc i concern myself with knowledge and making myself a better human being, no fire or man on Earth can take your being. I hope you gain from this loss so as not to say total loss. I hope your I haven't rambled on too long. (Sorrowful face)
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Your response reminds me of the state of being my family had when they arrived here as refugees from various political movements in Europe. In addition your sentiments sound remarkably like those of a friend who became totally paralyzed and spent a year in an iron lung. He eventually regained some control of his head and arms and has had years now to examine how he looks at the world. He takes his tragedy with him everyday in the form of his failing body but has led an exemplary life by always reaching out to others to try to bridge the gaps that we create between us. You seem to have made something very positive out of a horrendous situation and most do not seem to have the courage to do that. Yours was a very well spoken post , thanks for sharing your perspective.
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I have been researching Barricade Fire Gel
http://firegel.com/
for awhile now and wonder if anyone here has any experience with this product. I'm not in as much danger as I was in CA (I lived in Sonoma County for 11 years) but it's a topic which still interests me. It seems that many in CA would have thought about these products and prepared for fire. And if so I'm wondering if this product is working to save homes.
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I have seen pictures of firefighters deploying gel on homes and know some insurance companys will cover it in some cases.
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In my area we have accepted that grass fires are fightable, but structure fires are not. We don't have the equipment or training to enter a building. In '15, folks in the community had to decide whose house to sacrifice. Luckily BLM showed up in time with a helicopter and a bucket.
I'm on the volunteer fire team and our first line of defense is indeed the lawn sprinkler system. Then comes the ancient, antiquated donated fire trucks and decommissioned gear. Our last line is renters' insurance. Firefighting is a time-consuming, expensive business for rural communities, and a little scary when you know the coat and pants are older than you are and the water pressure in the hydrant might be too low to fill the hose. The shed where I keep my rock equipment has partially burned and been rebuilt twice now in twenty years- once from an electrical fire and once from a wildland fire. Any given summer may take it for good and me on top of a brush rig with a hose can make an effort, but won't save it.
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Be careful. I have visited the wild land firefighters memorial north of Twisp where 5 died in a narrow draw.It was not hard to imagine the hell they experienced. We are at the point we need a national wild lands firefighter academy for officers and an enlisted career path of full time employment like the Coast Guard for all these firefighters. Poorly trained " pros" led the youngsters who are memorialized at Twisp into the inferno with no chance of escape. We deserve better.