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Title: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: iamrockaholic on August 27, 2018, 04:08:07 PM
Hello again my new friends.  I havy another "Mystery Rock" I need help with identifying.  I'm thinking Owhee or Biggs Jasper.  Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you all for valued opinions.
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: Asianfire on August 27, 2018, 06:31:56 PM
Not enough experience with material, but would agree with Biggs, due to the colour strength.
Nearly sure its not Owhee, but could be Deshute jasper.
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: irockhound on August 27, 2018, 07:46:48 PM
There are a ton of Ochre to Tan Jaspers out there.  I don't see any identifying patterns that I normally associate with Biggs or Deschutes.  Another thing is the green on the bottom, not a color I have seen in either of those Jaspers but I normally only see the high end material and not saying that green doesn't exist in some form with them just that I have never seen it.  Based on what I see I don't think it is either.

There are several locations where I have found jasper that looks like that and also has the same Green and Ochre but they are all Southern California locations.
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: iamrockaholic on August 27, 2018, 08:28:14 PM
Thank you very much for your input.  I'm leaning towards Biggs but still not feeling confident.  Thanks a bunch!!!
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: rocks2dust on August 28, 2018, 10:25:10 AM
I agree with irockhound: If that is actually green along the bottom, it isn't typical for Biggs or Deschutes. I've seen hints of greenish, but nothing like that much emerald green. Still, could have been stained in storage. I suspect that green would come from copper, so a jasper or rhyolite from Arizona, east side of southern California or parts of Nevada would be possibilities. Would be worth taking a slice to see what may be inside, and whether it takes a polish.
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: irockhound on August 28, 2018, 10:56:45 AM
What makes you think it is Biggs?
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: catmandewe on August 28, 2018, 06:21:42 PM
I would say neither of those.
Lots of areas with this kind of jasper, kind of hard to pick any one locale.

Tony
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: iamrockaholic on August 28, 2018, 08:36:08 PM
Thank you all for your help.  I'm not yet convinced its Biggs but fro photos it appears the closest.  I took another photo of the green and its definitely green.  Also it has a few tiny crystal pockets.
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: irockhound on August 28, 2018, 11:48:41 PM
One clue you have if you look at biggs and Deschuetes Jaspers besides the picture jasper lines is the overall consistancy of the jasper to be a solid tone or a gradated tone.  What you don't see in those jaspers is the random (call it spotchiness) of the pattern and color that your slab displays.  This is normally from a more chaotic development when the jasper was formed.  Deschuetes and Biggs have those landscape pattern lines because of a much more structured and less chaotic development.
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: lapidaryrough on August 29, 2018, 04:15:05 PM
 Oregon jasper's, All mud flows sooner our later well just agatize.
Depend on strata point to sea level depends on what happen to the formation. Calcite or Carnelian base silicates.
 or opalize wood / Mud, Fossil.  As for the mud flows of sediments, and fresh water basins  in Biggs Oregon. Depends on the sea floor sediments rolled into the rolling hills in jasper's, along the Columbia river. Brown Biggs from Millers ranch is what is known as chocolate bar jasper. 

Oregon's beach front.  Richard Condon found fossilized lobsters  close too the Deschutes river and brackish water. the south  rim.  of the Columbia river. It is in ''the Book The Two Islands.''
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: Rustycat on September 07, 2018, 08:53:51 AM
Oregon jasper's, All mud flows sooner our later well just agatize.
Depend on strata point to sea level depends on what happen to the formation. Calcite or Carnelian base silicates.
 or opalize wood / Mud, Fossil.  As for the mud flows of sediments, and fresh water basins  in Biggs Oregon. Depends on the sea floor sediments rolled into the rolling hills in jasper's, along the Columbia river. Brown Biggs from Millers ranch is what is known as chocolate bar jasper. 

Oregon's beach front.  Richard Condon found fossilized lobsters  close too the Deschutes river and brackish water. the south  rim.  of the Columbia river. It is in ''the Book The Two Islands.''
After spending a couple of weeks avidly reading tonnes of posts on this site, I've learned much, and find myself musing re the fine line that often divides agate and jasper.  Here's a pic of a rock (found a couple) near Cle Elum, Wa. which based on what I've seen and read here, I'd guess is some sort of Jasper, rather than agate: [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: Rustycat on September 07, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
So, I'm leaning to Ammonite/jasper  https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjV1OS8xqndAhVYIDQIHReqA14QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeskgram.org%2Fexplore%2Ftags%2Forgonenecklace&psig=AOvVaw2bDAjZ9Y60iNWCEZ0xtyax&ust=1536432180760624
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: irockhound on September 07, 2018, 02:26:30 PM
I am leaning towards a Rhyolite
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: Rustycat on September 07, 2018, 07:46:35 PM
I am leaning towards a Rhyolite
Thank you.  I was not aware of Rhyolite prior to your comment.  I looked up images of Rhyolite and could certainly see similarities, although I guess I'm having a hard time getting past the visual similarities of the images I found of Ammonites.  I'll definitely do some searching, and thank you for putting forth your opinion. 
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: hummingbirdstones on September 07, 2018, 07:51:26 PM
Looks like some sort of birds eye rhyolite to me.

https://www.google.com/search?q=birds+eye+rhyolite&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-yqLlsqrdAhUKFnwKHZ84CbwQ_AUICigB&biw=1472&bih=731
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: irockhound on September 07, 2018, 09:21:12 PM
Look up pictures of Mushroom Jasper < actually a Rhyolite as it is very similar to your image.  Sort of the typical problem of rhyolite being called a jasper for a trade name.  I should add great find too as it is always fun to cut that type of material with so many patterns in it.
Title: Re: "Mystery Rock"
Post by: Rustycat on September 07, 2018, 11:17:04 PM
Looks like some sort of birds eye rhyolite to me.

https://www.google.com/search?q=birds+eye+rhyolite&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-yqLlsqrdAhUKFnwKHZ84CbwQ_AUICigB&biw=1472&bih=731
Yes, it most certainly does.  Thank you.