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Rockin' Jewelry => Wire Wrapping => Topic started by: wampidy on January 24, 2015, 08:13:31 AM
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My "what if I try this" mentality is shining again. I have just about every kind of string and cord you can imagine so something new was just waiting to happen.
This wrap would have been way easier if it wouldn't have been a two sided cab. The reason for the silver wire is to cover up the back side of the bail, not to hold the bail together.
I have a bunch of other cabs to try this on but I would like some feedback on this before I continue on the others so feel free to praise or bash this one. The stone is jadeite out of Burma or Myanmar.
Jim
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240013.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240013.jpg.html)
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Your talking to someone who really likes black cording or dark leather in jewelry. It stays in the background and gives the stone front and center. two suggestions or experiments, antique the silver black and when you wrap your next stone make sure both ends stop in the back for an extra clean look. These suggestions, I know are super picky, because I think this approach is fabulous. I'm assuming you have a channel grove that the cording is resting in.
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Looks like another winner Jim; I think a copper wire might look a little better on this one though.
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Your talking to someone who really likes black cording or dark leather in jewelry. It stays in the background and gives the stone front and center. two suggestions or experiments, antique the silver black and when you wrap your next stone make sure both ends stop in the back for an extra clean look. These suggestions, I know are super picky, because I think this approach is fabulous. I'm assuming you have a channel grove that the cording is resting in.
Maybe I did not make it clear enough and I should have added a photo of the other side, this is a two sided cab and I had a difficult time getting the wire to end/start right. I probably should do wire on this one for that reason.
You lost me on the antique the silver black suggestion. I wanted to use string on the bail but did not have anything I could use. Even some matching thread would probably be better than the silver.
This is why I put this one out there. I wanted this kind of feed back. Thank you for that.
Jim
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Looks like another winner Jim; I think a copper wire might look a little better on this one though.
You may be right on with the copper. I like the green cord but with this being a two sided cab it did not work out as good as I wanted.
The toughest part is controlling the glue. If the glue migrates through the cord it makes a darker spot. I could probably put HXTAL on all of the cord when the rap is finished but that is something I will have to experiment with.
Thanks for your input.
Jim
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I am with Frank. I love the pendant but it needs brown or copper colored thread to accentuate instead of distracting. My two cents and you don't have to give me any change:)
And if you do change it out lay it on a less busy background for me to see please. I love the dragon and the flames but again it draws the eye away from the stone.
Dark colors always draw the eye first. So when I look at your art I see black background first. It is true in all circumstances. Go into a room in your house and close your eyes and then look and name what you see first. It is always the darkest color:) History lesson from Painter:)
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The cord looks black to me not green sorry.
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Artists create depth through color manipulation. Bright colors bring images forward and dark colors receed. First you see the bright red in the background, second the metal, then the lighter/glossy stone, lastly the black cording. Yellow is the brightest color, then orange to red on the color wheel. Sometimes squinting your eyes when you look at an image will help you see what actually is jumping at you first.
Black and white are not color hues, but tint and shades.
This stuff may seem picky and silly, but what we think we see and what we actually see are often not the same. Understanding basic composition and color theory is a huge asset to achieving your own personal artistic vision.
I use liver of sulfur to blacken silver or cooper.
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Okay, gotcha. Reshoot with different background and show more than just the one view. Shit, I thought I knew everything and here I am learning at my age. :dontknow: :icon_tongue: :angel9: I am also going to take off the silver wire and wrap it with something else. Not sure what "else" I have but I will find something.
Here is something else for you to complain about :thumbsup: while I am fixing the first wankle. It is a braided twisted string. As just a twisted string it is kind of meh but seems to come alive when braided. The bracelet is not finished, I am going to add some amethyst beads to the string and the center of the braided part. The stone is ice cream opal from Idaho.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240015.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240015.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240029.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240029.jpg.html)
Thank you all for taking the time to teach me a few things and give my your opinions. On the other forum I only get "wow" "great" "sweet" and I want to hear about the pendant, not about me cause I already know that. :angel9:
Jim
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HA I forgot to hit POST after I did the preview. Oh well. I reshot the pendant and will post the pics as soon as I get them into the computer. Sheesh.
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New pics. Not great but these are not for sale photos, just plain photos for you plain folks. Just adulting ok.
Hot damn I found some new cord today. The blue is my favorite and the inside is not white like the other cord which makes it tougher to make the ends look good. Now I need to cab some sodalite so I can use it. Well, head hanging down, if ya'll think it is ok. :dontknow:
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250010.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250010.jpg.html)
The back side of the stone. Guess I should say the other side of the stone because it can be worn either way.
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250009.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250009.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250008.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250008.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250007.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250007.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250006.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3250006.jpg.html)
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Here are some photos of other cabs with different cord held onto them. I took these before ya'll taught me the stuff I have already forgotten so have to go back and study. Sorry but I am a slow learner. Most people would call me color ignorant but I am leaning toward color stupid. My son has tried to teach me some color stuff but I can not seem to get it to sink in. It is kind of like my carving. I can carve the hell out of things but if I have to try to draw what I want to carve, forget it. Picture and carbon paper which is starting to get hard to find. bla bla bla. I need someone close by to whack me when I start to wander. Hmmmm wonder who that could be?
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240011.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240011.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240010.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240010.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240004.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240004.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240003.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240003.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240001.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240001.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240005.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240005.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240006.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240006.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240007.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240007.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240008.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240008.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240009.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/wraps/P3240009.jpg.html)
I thought I did two more but no more pics.
Same rules, I am here to learn.
Jim
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I am loving your experimenting mind-set Jim. You are motivating me. I find that I am captivated by this post and the route you are taking.
Now that you are playing with color you need to ask yourself a few questions. What is your focal point, the spectacular stone or cord? One can overpower the other. Taking pictures and then looking at them for record was a brilliant idea. Now you can scroll down and decide which you like best.
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I love the first one, the ice cream opal. Looks good with the twisted cord, the color is pulling those colors out of the opal.
I do like the green cord with the stone now since I can see it:) It is also pulling color out of the stone:)
I never meant to make you think I am criticizing you, I am in a few jewelry clubs and we are always just telling each other what we think. If you like what I say, take it with a grain of salt and if not, then it is your creation:) Rock on. :)
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I love the first one, the ice cream opal. Looks good with the twisted cord, the color is pulling those colors out of the opal.
I do like the green cord with the stone now since I can see it:) It is also pulling color out of the stone:)
I never meant to make you think I am criticizing you, I am in a few jewelry clubs and we are always just telling each other what we think. If you like what I say, take it with a grain of salt and if not, then it is your creation:) Rock on. :)
I ben tryin ta tell ya that I don't learn a damn thing if everyone just tells me they are great because I am a good person. But I am gunna mess wit ya just to have a little fun. Criticize away darlin, I don't get upset much.
Jim
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I am loving your experimenting mind-set Jim. You are motivating me. I find that I am captivated by this post and the route you are taking.
Now that you are playing with color you need to ask yourself a few questions. What is your focal point, the spectacular stone or cord? One can overpower the other. Taking pictures and then looking at them for record was a brilliant idea. Now you can scroll down and decide which you like best.
You are making a lot of sense here. Something I don't do very often.
I really do not like the wire wraps that have a pile of extra wire frills on them so it makes a lot of sense to look at what is drawing the eye. Looks like I will never be using white braid on any stones because that is all I see when I look at the photos with white cord.
Jim
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Ok, I like the look but have some concerns.
Rope and cord have a tendency to stretch over time. Unless that is in a deep groove AND that wire wrap around it is extremely tight, the stone will fall out. I think it's just a question of when, not if.
I've thought about doing something similar, but I don't think you can get the cord sufficiently tight the way you've gone. I think you'll need to use a decorative knot at the top rather than wire. You can work a knot tight enough with pliers, but you'll still need a fairly deep groove. A doubled diamond, footrope, or Matthew Walker would look nice at the top. I've also wondered about using Hei Toki, but that would probably require a different pendant.
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OK Jim, I may be the one to spoil the party going on here.
I do love the experimenting and the colors. Color is always a good thing.
However I foresee one minor problem with this wrapping strategy. Cord, over time will stretch. This means that cord you have wrapped around that stone, could indeed stretch out enough with wear to eventually be to loose to hold the stone. I've seen cording that supposedly had "No stretch" eventually stretch out a bit. This is why I try to prestretch any thread I bead with because nylon and other seed beading threads despite saying they don't stretch, will stretch over time. It's why a beaded peyote stitch bezel I made three years ago has a bit of give to it now.
And looking back through the postings it appears drnihili has the same concerns I do.
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A good example of why I love this forum. People with same passions learning from one another.
Metal wrap may be the best bet, since you have done all the labor in making the channel grove. It would most likely be just as fast to wrap.
I have a piece as an example that I did using metal. May I share it here Jim?
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Okay, a couple of things that some of you are not taking into consideration.
First off is the fact that this cord is designed to hold over 100 pounds safely and probably 200 in an emergency. This cord is holding 0 pounds and 0 ounces. The weight of the cab is actually held up by being glued to the cord at the top so what is going to cause it to stretch? Water has no effect on nylon like it does on cotton or some other natural fibers so that is a non thing. I milked cows as a kid and picked up a lot of steel most of my life so I have very strong hands which I exercise every day so when I say the cord was pulled tight you can take it to the bank that it is extremely tight.
I believe I stated earlier that the wire was added to hide the cord where it has been glued together because the glue makes the cord darker. So the wire is a non thing as far as holding the cab in place. The only way the cord could come off the cab is if someone put a lot
of force where it is glued on and even then I am not so sure if anyone could get it off.
Lastly, I can not believe that anyone who knows me would think I did not think all this through. I ask for opinions and suggestions all the time but to flat out tell me that something won't work for mechanical reasons is a bit irritating.
Now that I have probably shot my ...... off I want to thank the people that brought to light my shortcomings in the color and brightness area. For those that I probably pissed off I am sorry but I want you to know that on the mechanical side of things I am as sharp as a potato and have things covered there. I love criticism as long as it does not criticize me.
Jim
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A good example of why I love this forum. People with same passions learning from one another.
Metal wrap may be the best bet, since you have done all the labor in making the channel grove. It would most likely be just as fast to wrap.
I have a piece as an example that I did using metal. May I share it here Jim?
Of course Helene.
I have done all kinds of groove wraps with wire and I am just trying to come up with something new here.
Jim
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Jim, I missed the glue part. So long as the glue itself holds, you should be fine. In essence that makes the cord purely decorative, sorry if I missed that in an earlier post.
With that said, the strength of the cord is largely irrelevant to the issue of stretching. Rock climbing rope is more than strong enough to hold a pendant, but would do a poor job as the rope is designed to be elastic. The worry is how much a cord will stretch, not how much weight it will bear before breaking. Most cords designed to hold a load are designed to stretch some, elasticity reduces the shock to the rope and the load.
Another idea if you want a more "pure" cord look, but don't want a decorative knot on top. Find some strong thread the same color as the cord and stitch the cord together. Since the pendant is actually held by the glue, and not by tension, this should be sufficient.
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I have considered thread and may go to that because the wire has not gone over to well and I do not like it either. Some knots would work but a know where one side is pulling forward and the other back like in an overhand know will not work. I think a knot would still have to be glued to keep it from coming loose. Plus, I think it would be difficult to get it even close to as tight as I have it with the glue.
I am also thinking about wetting the entire length of cord with HXTAL which would make it very permanent.
Jim
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You make me want to play with this new concept. I like the simplicity of the approach. It keeps your focus on the stone.
Making me think how you could incorporate your rope, outside the box idea into a bracelet.
Thanks for putting me straight, it's in your title, "Ain't wire but is an outside the box wrap" Often I don't focus well on what the conversation is actually about.
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I like your idea of sewing the cord together with similar color thread. I have been doing that with my kumihimo cords to secure the ends. After taking a few stitches through both cords, you can hide the end the thread by passing it into the center of the cord and cutting it close at the exit. I also have used hypo cement to secure knots - it doesn't seem to discolor the cord once its dry.
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Jim, I missed the glue part. So long as the glue itself holds, you should be fine. In essence that makes the cord purely decorative, sorry if I missed that in an earlier post.
I missed the glue part too.
Having re-read the original posts though, I don't see mention of glue. :dontknow:
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Jim, I missed the glue part. So long as the glue itself holds, you should be fine. In essence that makes the cord purely decorative, sorry if I missed that in an earlier post.
I missed the glue part too.
Having re-read the original posts though, I don't see mention of glue. :dontknow:
Well geeze Enchantra, make a liar out of me. ;) What I meant to say was "I thought I mentioned glue". The crow kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth. Sorry. I posted this on two forums and may have used the word glue in the other one. I can come up with an excuse for just about everything.
Jim
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Jim, I missed the glue part. So long as the glue itself holds, you should be fine. In essence that makes the cord purely decorative, sorry if I missed that in an earlier post.
What I meant to say was "I thought I mentioned glue". The crow kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth. Sorry. I posted this on two forums and may have used the word glue in the other one. I can come up with an excuse for just about everything.
Jim
I usually have my crow with a good shot of HP sauce, it kills the gamey flavour, LOL; I saw some mention of glue/epoxy but thought you were just using it at the top to keep the cord tight. I'm guessing that laying a thin bead of epoxy in the groove then wrapping the cord, wouldn't discolour the cord if it was applied sparingly.
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Jim, I missed the glue part. So long as the glue itself holds, you should be fine. In essence that makes the cord purely decorative, sorry if I missed that in an earlier post.
What I meant to say was "I thought I mentioned glue". The crow kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth. Sorry. I posted this on two forums and may have used the word glue in the other one. I can come up with an excuse for just about everything.
Jim
I usually have my crow with a good shot of HP sauce, it kills the gamey flavour, LOL; I saw some mention of glue/epoxy but thought you were just using it at the top to keep the cord tight. I'm guessing that laying a thin bead of epoxy in the groove then wrapping the cord, wouldn't discolour the cord if it was applied sparingly.
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Yes, that is what I did at the top but did not want to press my luck going all the way around. I use my drill press to make the groove so the depth is not perfectly even either which is a bit of a determining factor also. I am playing with other things now so the wraps will be back burner for a while.
Jim
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I took the recommendation of not using wire with the cord wrap and this is what I ended up with. I like it a lot better this way. The stone is what you see first.
Jim
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/P4010007.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/P4010007.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/P4010006.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/P4010006.jpg.html)
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/hand%20cabs/P4010005.jpg) (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/wampidy/media/hand%20cabs/P4010005.jpg.html)
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I like it Jim, you'll be tying hei toki lashings on them soon :)
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If you have to be able to pronounce it I am in trouble.
Jim
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I love it with all cord Jim:)
And I love the look of hei toki too:)
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ever fed thin wire up inside the braided rope for strength?
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I agree that I prefer the whipping to the wire. I've been thinking about how to incorporate some decorative knot work, but first I guess I'd better make a cab to incorporate it with.
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You made rope look elegant. Clean and well crafted feel to the whole piece. The choice of cord made the stone the focal point. A winner!
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You should do a tutorial on your new process.
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Well overall I think it's a cool idea. Some of you color choices would not have been mine but that is what art is all about, is it not??? I missed if you said it- the rope encasing the cab, is it nested in a groove? It would be fun to mess around with kumihomo braid work like this too. You could custom mix different colors into the braid for each cab. :)
Rockin' Tapatalk
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Well overall I think it's a cool idea. Some of you color choices would not have been mine but that is what art is all about, is it not??? I missed if you said it- the rope encasing the cab, is it nested in a groove? It would be fun to mess around with kumihomo braid work like this too. You could custom mix different colors into the braid for each cab. :)
Rockin' Tapatalk
There is a groove in all the stones with cord around the outside. The choices of cord were just held on to see how they looked with each cab. Some of the cords are way bad for some of the stones and you did what I was looking for, give your opinion of how they looked. The thing you did not do is tell me which ones suck. lol I do not want to do sucky ones.
Jim
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Very nice . I like the look of these. Your brain is clicking right along making winter a bit shorter.
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What material in the square cab? That is a cool lookin' piece.
Of the options you have shown, I personally do not care for the white, but again, that is my personal taste; generally I would probably tend to try to pull the colors within the host material if I had the color option (like you did on the stone with the pink around it) but each cab is it's own entity so to me there is no right way, just whatever you try that finally speaks to you and says, "This is an awesome impression for this piece". I don't know what color choices you have to work with either, and as you said, this is a concept you are just now playing around with.
I like others ideas about trying other metal/wire combinations, that is a great idea too- even like a wire/cord combo twist around the groove would be fun to try out. Brass would be cool looking with some of these cabs and copper too. I don't know how patina would react with the nylon fabric because I have never tried that before- definitely test out a sample to see if it discolors the material before applying it to a piece that has already been glued in place.
If you decide you want to explore more color options or different material types at some point, here are a couple of cool sites to explore:
http://store.jewelsinfiber.com/thanks.html (http://store.jewelsinfiber.com/thanks.html)
http://www.leathercordusa.com/index.html (http://www.leathercordusa.com/index.html)
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Holly molly A huge hug and lip kiss for those sites. I was at Hobby Lobby last week and did not find exactly what I think I need (don't know for sure lol) I ended up buying a grab bag of random cut leather lace that I will have to burnish before I can use it. Cheap but a lot of work which I have become allergic to. I break out in naps.
Jim
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Cheap but a lot of work which I have become allergic to. I break out in naps.
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