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Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« on: November 02, 2016, 11:04:49 AM »

Hi,
Does anybody on here know the status of the Big Lake  Rhodonite deposit?  Ref trip #1 in Jackson's Rockhound's guide to Washington Vol  4.  After looking at my rock pile it looks like I could use a little bit of Rhodonite.   Anybody been there recently? What are the  digging conditions?  Material quality etc.  I don't need very much. But I do need a good strong pink. If there are newer deposits that are relatively accessible this time of year I would be interested in those as well.

Thanks
Mike
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 12:06:02 PM »

From the 2007 description HERE, it seems that the deposit is located on private timberlands behind locked gates.
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2016, 08:21:11 AM »

Thanks for the tip but I don't believe the two localities are the same.  Road numbers  in the guides are certainly different.  It is very sad that a certain large timber co here in the NW has apparently completely closed their lands to rockhounding.  It started out with buying access permits which gave gate permits.  Then apparently, sometime in the last 10 years they decided no rockhounding at all.  Their use rules, which I just checked, explicitly forbid mineral/rock removal.  Quite sad especially as their lands north of Mount Rainier have some very interesting deposits.

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Mike
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2016, 01:14:36 PM »

14miles of closed off gates on private/timber land. I've wanted to go in for awhile now but you have got to be very determined. I always see alot of rhodonite at the darrington rockshow which I think is in july and I'm willing to bet you could find some at the maplewood show as well which is coming a bit sooner in a week or two I believe :-)

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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2016, 05:37:55 PM »

A real bummer that news but something is still wrong.  According to Jackson's directions the mentioned deposit is only 6.4 miles from the Lake Cavanaugh road so I am not sure how we get to 14 miles of gated locked road.  I used to be able to find things in Bob's guide books by following his directions.  Maybe I will just drive out there next week and have a look myself.  If I do I will post a report.  Anybody know of any other WA localities that might be still accessible?  How about the creeks in the vicinity?  Any float downstream? I am sure they are all too high now but maybe next summer?  Is that private forest land posted? 

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Mike
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2016, 12:26:45 PM »

There are multiple deposits in various drainages in the same area.All are closed.The main pit was on private land but there is a locality on DNR land that is hell and beyond in. The area not only has gates but it also has monstrous berms along the paved road. This is not overkill because these areas had the timber ruined by people shooting the trees wholesale with large caliber military weapons.Makes the trees dangerous to cut and unsalable.Many hundreds of chopped cars  were also abandoned along the logging roads both public and private. The proliferation of meth labs in the woods were the final straw. At times I have seen upwards  of 400 people at a meth lab 14 miles in on forest service roads.Congress does not give the forest service money to police the woods so they are closed. The reality of the lawless west.Rhodonite sells very poorly and always has so dealers do not haul it to shows but they often have it as they buy collections.It is worth asking.
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2016, 06:53:33 AM »

This is a very very sad story.  As a tax payer in the great state of Washington I should have access to the properties that I (we) own.  This includes federal as well as state lands.  I notice that Weyerhaeuser has implemented land use rules that explicitly forbid rockhounding even if one buys one of their access permits.  I am not sure if that rule is enforced or not.

I guess I will have to silver pick it at some show.

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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 05:57:12 PM »

not trying to be political, in fact im not going to be.
But if people wish to halt further lands from being taken away from us OWNERS, we all have to stop voting (as a nation) for those that want us out of the lands for Governmental gain.
The Gov is gaining from our lands, that we the people are taxed to death for, Weyerhouser and other tree companies maintain the trees on their leased public land, people go in there to their trees they manage and shoot them all to hell target practicing (using the live trees and back stops thus ruining the value of the tree and also killing them) or dumping garbage, meth heads causing havoc with biohazards and toxic waste with meth labs.
I love my forests, i love being in them, I target practice in the forests -BUT- I refuse to use any live tree as a backdrop, i only use the piled up scrap the loggers leave behind as a back stop for my ammunition. .

Washignton state is full of hippie tree huggers, im not one of them. I am an avid outdoorsman that absolutely loves nature just as much of the purists. I love being one on one with mother nature (and my god above while in the woods).
I never allow in my presence destruction of the forests, my hobbies actually clean waterways of pollutants. Lead, mercury and alot of other man made trash/scrap.
I walk into the woods with empty bags, i come out with filled or partially filled bags of junk.

I remember as a kid, driving all over the cascade Mts in vehicles, i learned how to drive in the woods, how to shift a manual transmission hunting in them.
I pray someday its allowed again, doubtful i will ever get to enjoy the remote places i know of to rock hound, i cant ride a mountain bike that far and i cannot carry rocks very well anylonger.

I absolutely think that we should be able to collect rocks so long as it causes zero destruction to the forests so the tree growers can profit and we can collect.
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2016, 01:06:52 AM »

The private timberlands, even those within National Forest boundaries, are neither owned by or leased from the U.S. gov't. They were practically given away to timber companies a bit over a century ago. Although we used to be able to travel through and collect on those private lands, the timber companies now lock them up - probably for the same reason the forest service has plowed up many of the old roads: it costs less when you don't have to constantly patrol, and certainly less than the cost of putting out fires caused by carelessness and vehicles (we had dozens of fires locally this summer just from badly working catalytic converters - one just down the road from here), repair damage, maintain roads, etc.

There are also many more people using the forests these days, and that means more folks who trash those lands, act carelessly or are downright vandalous, even if folks like you and me are good stewards and leave things as good or better than we found them. I've seen damage that may take centuries to heal - scars that still haven't healed since somebody first tore up the place over 50 years ago, and similar damage being done every summer. And while the number of people using the forests has exploded, the budgets for patroling and maintenance have been repeatedly slashed over the past 30 years - even fire suppression budgets haven't kept up with costs and regularly go way over budget, which means the money has to come from other programs like prevention, maintenance and patrolling/enforcement. Timber company's budgets are also much tighter, as they are dealing with cheap imports from Russia, disease and increased costs, too. I just don't see either private, state or federal restoring access unless they once again find a way to restore patrolling - I have zero faith in the general public suddenly developing good behavior. As a former private timberland owner who has dealt with the agencies - genuinely fine people who are trying their best and would like to keep things open, but are playing whack-a-mole with too few personel to come close to keeping up with vandals and negligent visitors - I know something about the problem - and for similar reasons we put up gates and locks, too. Most rockhounds are good visitors, but among the minority are some who are destructive as all get-out (killing trees by undercutting roots, not refilling holes, illegally hauling in a backhoe and ripping out most of a deposit, dumping garbage and human waste, ripping down or shooting up signs, digging in roads or tumbling boulders down on them, tearing up meadows and eroding hillsides - seen it all).
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2016, 06:48:05 PM »

I put the telephone lines around Big Lake years ago, i seen enough of that rock to keep me in stock for my life.
BUT, i didnt know what it was, wasnt into lapidary and didnt save one single rock from our ditches.
If i only knew then what i know now.....
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2016, 09:56:16 AM »

So is it possible to get a key to the gates for a day from the DNR?  I believe rockhounding is still allowed on WA State Lands is it not?  What if a club sponsored the access for a day and posted a bond?  I appreciate the problems that have been caused but why can't we find solutions that allow "responsible" individuals and groups access.  I am kinda stuck on this topic because the general trend is to allow those with money and influence to do all kinds of things to the land which look like a giant mess (mining and timber companies)  but the little person gets shut out.  What happened at Emerald Creek ID?  It used to be you went and paid a small fee and you could dig a hole or enlarge somebody else's hole and look for garnets.  Now all we can do is screen what somebody else dug up which is fine I suppose but I really like the digging.  Did some fool get hurt in a hole collapse and sue the forest service?

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Mike
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2016, 12:48:42 AM »

Grinder yes you're right the spot in Jackson's book is west of the Mt. Higgins locale, closer to the Walker Valley ORV area. I don't think many people get back in there by the little lakes and split rock anymore though I could be wrong. I ran into a Fish and Wildlife officer on DNR roads near Duvall while carrying a pick axe and rock hammer not too long ago. He stopped and gave me some tips on how to avoid the human biosolids they are now spreading around a lot of trees (it smells bad and a lot gets dropped on the roads) and where to find an old quarry. Google maps Earth view shows some recent logging activity pretty close to the Split Rock area, did you go check it out? The mineral council used to go past the gate up Mt. Higgins, not sure if they still do and why not if they don't. Not sure what the story is with Emerald Creek but if I had to guess I'd say maybe something about turbidity. 
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2016, 09:56:01 AM »

I remember an article in Rock and Gem some years ago about Lucas Creek.  The timber company allowed collecting until some abused the privilege.  Rules were that you couldn't collect in the creek and on the banks.  After getting fined more than once by the Feds for damage to the creek and banks, they decided to lock the gates. Another collecting area lost.  Unfortunately we can not police all the yahoos out there. And the ethical collectors suffer.

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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2016, 12:37:32 PM »

What if a club sponsored the access for a day and posted a bond?
Clubs that have an established good reputation still do get permission to dig. Try asking the WSMC (or one of the member clubs listed at their website) when they'll next be doing a rhodonite dig. Some clubs have websites that list their upcoming field trips and/or contact info. It would be worth the small membership fee in order to go along with them. In addition, some clubs have their own claims that membership allows you to dig.
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Re: Big Lake Wa Rhodonite
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2016, 11:58:37 AM »

I have been distracted and haven't had a chance to run up there.  I did talk to the WA DNR "Education and Enforcement" officer on the Marysville club outing to Blanchard Hill recently.  He was very nice and had some interesting things to say.  He said it should be possible for an established organization to  gain access to gated areas. He said It would increase the likelihood of gaining access if the organization would volunteer some  time to help clean up garbage in  the vicinity or do other needed maintenance.  He said one reason that area is gated is because some biologists found some special species of frog. Since, per Jackson, the deposit is in a swampy area between the lakes this may be a concern on a  visit.  After thanksgiving I plan to call the DNR supervisor and have a chat.  I just joined the Marysville club so perhaps if the new Supervisor is amenable we can work something out for next year.  That area sounds really prime for some prospecting work.  One thing about picking up garbage along a road is that you can examine the rocks in the cuts and the fill. 

Happy Thanksgiving
Mike
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